Saturday, March 29, 2014
Elder of ZiyonIt started when journalist Yair Rosenberg asked NYT reporter Jodi Rudoren if she can follow up on a post I did about how PA school Facebook pages had posters that denied Israel's right to excist:
Gary Spedding 
Yair Rosenberg
So I added all the context I could about how I found what I found, which Spedding took as evidence I was hiding something in my post:
ElderOfZiyon
@CiFWatch @GarySpedding I looked at about a dozen schools. Most didn't have political photos at all, these 2 did @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren
- @elderofziyon Why is that information not in your blog I wonder? Doesn't fit your agenda of demonisation @CiFWatch @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren
- @elderofziyon Same point I made to Yair - you've looked at Palestinian schools? All the way from the USA? @CiFWatch @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren
- .@GarySpedding Yes, it's called the Internet. Pretty cool new thing. @CiFWatch @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren
- .@GarySpedding 100% of the political photos I found denied Israel's existence. Not newsworthy enough? @CiFWatch @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren
- @elderofziyon @GarySpedding @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren methinks Gary is suffering from cognitive dissonance at present, hence his desperation
- @elderofziyon Plenty of photos at Israeli schools deny Palestine's existence & history. @CiFWatch @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren
- @elderofziyon Some schools in Northern Ireland don't recognise Northern Ireland either... Your point? @CiFWatch @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren
- .@GarySpedding My point is that you will be hard pressed to find a counterexample in Pal. schools Ever. @CiFWatch @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren
- @elderofziyon Having been to numerous Palestinian schools, dialogued with students.. I can say your wrong @CiFWatch @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren
CiF Watch
Ah, my blog is right wing propaganda, but 972 (which he linked to a couple of other times, and for which he has written) is perfectly objective.
- @elderofziyon Again, if you actually want to be intellectually honest... Go visit these places yourself @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
@GarySpedding And if you want to be, find me peaceful Arabic writings by students not sponsored by NGOs @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
- @GarySpedding I updated my post. Don't think you'll like it any better. @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
I added a parenthetical comment to the post:
I looked up about 12 schools, all girls, on FB. Most of the boys' schools did not have FB pages. Of those schools these were the only political posters I found, although one school did have a photo of the funeral of a terrorist last week calling him a martyr.
- @elderofziyon You updated your post without admitting the fact it shows you are misrepresenting reality. @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
Of course...because I was representing reality of Palestinian Arab social media run by their own schools.
@GarySpedding People act more like themselves on FB. So call your peaceful buddies & find the posts. Or admit you can't. @rudoren @CiFWatch
- @elderofziyon Actually, people generally act like idiots on social media... Someone threatened to shoot me in the head last week. @CiFWatch
Backtracking and changing the subject again, of course. Because deep down Spedding knows I'm right and he cannot find a single social media post, not subsidized by an NGO, that would show Palestinian Arab students (or teachers, for that matter) willing to say they are willing to live side by side with Israel in a permanent peace.
Of course, when Westerners come and visit the students and teachers will tell them what they want to hear in English. But if a Fatah official visits a school talking about the right of violent resistance, will any student argue? It is laughable. Yet Spedding pretends to believe otherwise.
By the way, Spedding's accusations that I am dishonest in my posts and not being objective is the height of hypocrisy. As we were tweeting, others dug up stuff Spedding had written before on his own blog (quoted in JPost):
Hamas rockets are and should be condemned but they also need to be understood in order to progress forward with any plan for peace and justice. It does not excuse Hamas rocket fire but it explains it in an accurate way to state that the home-made rockets of hamas are a desperate attempt by angry and desperate people who join up with militant groups at taking out revenge against Israel the 4th most well equipped and armed army in the world and against israeli civilians (which is totally unacceptable and unjustifiable in terms of attacking civilians).
He also wrote, months after the Fogel family was massacred:
The J’post article sickening invokes the cloudy and unclear death of the Fogel family an attack which I have the report and pictures of in my email inbox from the day after it happened. I find it sick that the J’post is still using this attack for political gain suggesting Palestinians are to blame when there has been no further information, news or otherwise released about the murders since the IDF conveniently caught two Palestinians kept them in torture for a month until they ‘confessed’ and then announced they had caught the killers despite the evidence and speculation of it being the work of a migrant worker from asia.That was of course an unproven rumor that was being tossed around by Israel haters and found, by the time of his writing, to have been thoroughly debunked.
But after this was exposed, Spedding removed his blog posts!
Gilead Ini, of CAMERA, takes it from there, responding to Spedding's response to my UNRWA school webpage expose:
Gilead Ini
@elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch Dead links and supposition? Remember when @GarySpedding hinted Fogels killed by an Asian?
- @GileadIni @mottyf: Grief shouldn't be used for peace or war http://972mag.com/motty/14356/ @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
- @GileadIni Also, I never hinted or claimed such a thing... Some PA news sources did tho... @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
- @GarySpedding: "the IDF conveniently caught two Palestinians kept them in torture... @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
- @GarySpedding: "...for a month until they ‘confessed’ and then announced... @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
- @GarySpedding: "...they had caught the killers despite the evidence and speculation... @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
- @GarySpedding: "of it being the work of a migrant worker from asia." @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
- @GileadIni Where are you quoting from? Certainly not anything from me. @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
- @GarySpedding @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch Aren't you the Gary Spedding who posts at http://abureesh.wordpress.com ?
- @GileadIni Yes... Where is the post that you claim to have taken those quotes from? @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
- @GarySpedding @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch According to online citations, it was at http://abureesh.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/the-truth-about-flotilla-folk/ ….
- @GarySpedding @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch Is that URL fabricated, or did you post something on 7/26/11 and then delete?
- @GileadIni So essentially there is no blog. No evidence. Ergo your claims are false. @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @rudoren @CiFWatch
- @GileadIni If I'd posted such a blog and then deleted it I'm sure it would still be cached no? @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @CiFWatch
- @GarySpedding @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @CiFWatch You didn't post a blog on July 26, 2011, then? cc: @samwestrop
- @GileadIni @GarySpedding @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @CiFWatch Spedding worked hard to expunge the evidence. Didn't succeed completely.
- @samwestrop Ah troppy, haven't you embarrassed yourself enough where I'm concerned? @GileadIni @elderofziyon @Yair_Rosenberg @CiFWatch
Sam Westrop Spedding claims that he never posted such a thing, and there is no evidence, so (he implies) Ini must be lying. And so is Sam Westrop, who also joined the conversation, and who was the one who quoted Spedding's disgusting words in the Jerusalem Post.
So is there still any evidence of this article written by Spedding on his blog on July 26, 2011 that he later deleted? Why, yes there is, thanks to the Wayback Machine and the (better than mine) search skills of @lsorang :
So we have proof Spedding purposefully expunged his post and now denies ever having written them.
Which tells you all you need to know about the intellectual honesty of Gary Spedding - who accuses me of being intellectually dishonest without giving a smidgen of proof!
Another major fail for the Israel haters.
(More on this lying, hypocritical, terror apologist idiot here.)
(UPDATE: Original post only had evidence that Spedding's rant existed but not a screenshot of his actual words, @lsorang found the actual post.)
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