Thursday, December 20, 2018
Elder of ZiyonFrom last Friday:
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Seriously? Does Hamas shoot rockets to Ashkelon because of settlers? Were bus bombs in Tel Aviv because of settlers?— ElderOfZiyon (@elderofziyon) December 14, 2018
Are you really effing blaming the pregnant woman for being shot because she chooses to live in Judea?
You are despicable with your excusing terror.
- If, God forbid, Jews would leave Judea and Samaria and the terror increases, how long before you insist on a withdrawal to the Partition lines? Because according to you,"both sides" are responsible. Always. Sick.
- We advocate a negotiated Isr-Pal peace agreement, w/ 1-to-1 land swaps, that would leave most Israelis where they live now in the West Bank. Israel would then have complete moral high ground and full int'l support (see: Arab Peace Initiative) when responding to terrorism
- International support? Tell me, why didn't the world pass the anti Hamas resolution last week? You remain delusional.
- You are basing the entire raison d'etre of your organization on a logical fallacy. http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2010/11/ifthen-fallacy.html … Remember the "then" of Gaza withdrawal? No, you'd rather forget it.
- We get it- you're committed to ignoring everything we just said and the facts behind it, and you get mad when we point out the meaning of words you ignore or misconstrue. Shabbat shalom.
Tell you what. I'm so embarrassed by this exchange that I'll post it on my blog. I challenge you to do the same, since you are so convinced you won.
So, as promised, here's the exchange. Americans for Peace Now claim that I'm the one who is ignoring everything the other says and that I "got mad."
Needless to say, APN didn't post their withering takedown of this supposed "right wing extremist" on their blog. (I have little problem with a two state solution - if Israel had an actual peace partner that would allow Jews to live there, to buy land and to freely visit their holy places without fear. The fact that the idea of such a solution is so absurd is the real problem, not Israeli intransigence.)
The post I linked to from 2010 is an important one. Peace Now's main argument is that "We advocate a negotiated Isr-Pal peace agreement, w/ 1-to-1 land swaps, that would leave most Israelis where they live now in the West Bank. Israel would then have complete moral high ground and full int'l support when responding to terrorism."
But does Israel really have full international support for Gaza operations after its full withdrawal? Does it really have full international support to respond to Hezbollah after its full withdrawal from Lebanon? It is an absurd fallacy, and Peace Now's entire existence is based on this fallacy of "IF Israel does what we want, THEN things will be peachy keen."
No one can argue that the "if/then" formulation is anything but wishful thinking. But it is the entire basis for Peace Now's existence!
It never worked before, but groups like Peace Now insist, without any evidence, that it will work - next time. And if it doesn't, well, it is because Israel didn't do enough.
Needless to say, APN didn't post their withering takedown of this supposed "right wing extremist" on their blog. (I have little problem with a two state solution - if Israel had an actual peace partner that would allow Jews to live there, to buy land and to freely visit their holy places without fear. The fact that the idea of such a solution is so absurd is the real problem, not Israeli intransigence.)
The post I linked to from 2010 is an important one. Peace Now's main argument is that "We advocate a negotiated Isr-Pal peace agreement, w/ 1-to-1 land swaps, that would leave most Israelis where they live now in the West Bank. Israel would then have complete moral high ground and full int'l support when responding to terrorism."
But does Israel really have full international support for Gaza operations after its full withdrawal? Does it really have full international support to respond to Hezbollah after its full withdrawal from Lebanon? It is an absurd fallacy, and Peace Now's entire existence is based on this fallacy of "IF Israel does what we want, THEN things will be peachy keen."
No one can argue that the "if/then" formulation is anything but wishful thinking. But it is the entire basis for Peace Now's existence!
It never worked before, but groups like Peace Now insist, without any evidence, that it will work - next time. And if it doesn't, well, it is because Israel didn't do enough.
